for Lez. Let the fun begin!

Posted by: Yoda

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Here's the 300Bhp Navara with water/meth injection

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that is fekin insane,

A nice FMIC and hybrid turbo rebuild and this could pop a truck along fairly well.

Posted by: Stick

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A nice FMIC and hybrid turbo rebuild and this could pop a truck along fairly well.

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I assume you are speaking in relation to an L200 Stick? That is essentially my plan! Although now there's a good chance it will happen with a 2.5Did or 3.2Did engine swap. There by reaping the benefits there of as well. Classic truck, modern engine, water injection. VROOOOOOOM!

As interesting as this subject has been so far, it just got REALLY interesting! I got a bit impatient today and spoke to Devils own again rather than waiting for Basils egt results.

I'll start with the 'boring' bit: If you run a water injection kit on it's own and don't increase fuel or boost then it is typical to gain a 5 - 10% mpg increase. A side effect of it's original design purpose if you like. So as long as the EGT results come back from Basil as ok then the HHO makes a better fuel saver. BUT>>>>>>>>>

The REALLY interesting bit........ he see's no reason why you couldn't run a water/meth kit AND an HHO fuel cell together!! In short he says that water/meth is run along side Nitrous oxide systems all the time and that works just fine. As much as I was worried about the potential 'cocktail' he says the principle is just the same.... "monitor EGT's and don't let them go above safe levels." It could still be used to bring Basils egt's down if they needed it. This ALSO means that if you aren't interested in POWER then you could be talking about a 40% mpg increase being, ... realistic!!?? (assuming Basil's initial 28% is consistent. That would be the equivalent of paying £1/litre for diesel on your current consumption.

Ftr neither meths or nos are illegal to run on the road in a vehicle in this country, as neither can be classed as a "fuel"

Definition of a fuel being something the vehicle will run on on it's own.

I have a little experience of nos myself and quite a few of my friends run seperate meths maps on their P1's.

Some have a seperate tank and inject it as a cooler others run it in the tank as a mix to gain more power.

Only problem with meths on a tuned petrol is its hydroscopic so attracts moisture and "goes off" as such.

Sorry Dingle I'm a bit lost on your first comment, Are you saying Nos and meth are illegal to use on the road?

Nope the opposite ..... Nos and meths are both perfectly legal to use on the road in the uk.

Not so sure what your insurance would say mind you ......

Ah I seen yeah. That backs up my findings. Though I didn't know the reason as you state it.

I plan to start with just water and see how it responds and then if I want to / need to, introduce meth in small percentages. According to Devils own no more than a 50/50 water meth mix is classed by insurance companies as "just water injection" as in a 50/50 mix it is not flammable. I'm expecting to pay more for my engine mods but that's ok. Has to be expected. Though like Basil with his HHO kit we are angling for the economy improvement with them not the bhp. Despite it increasing bhp Basil got hi HHO kit classed as an LPG conversion and hence no premium rise.

of course the meth could be construed as an antifreeze agent which like in all good cooling systems you have antifreeze as it also acts as a corrosion inhibitor possibly ;)

But of course!

And actually you may have just answered the question on my other thread.

im bouncing around so many threads its hard to keep up on any particular ones

I know it's getting a bit crazy

Posted by: Yoda

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Ah I seen yeah. That backs up my findings. Though I didn't know the reason as you state it.

I plan to start with just water and see how it responds and then if I want to / need to, introduce meth in small percentages. According to Devils own no more than a 50/50 water meth mix is classed by insurance companies as "just water injection" as in a 50/50 mix it is not flammable. I'm expecting to pay more for my engine mods but that's ok. Has to be expected. Though like Basil with his HHO kit we are angling for the economy improvement with them not the bhp. Despite it increasing bhp Basil got hi HHO kit classed as an LPG conversion and hence no premium rise.

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Luke got some injection nozzles on their way from Denmark, justa few bits from a friend, I will mod a blanking plate and fit a nozzle so's we can get testing spray patterns and pump pressures.

some usefull pinched from another forum

Here are two videos of a guy who has successfully burned WMO on a 6.2L Detroit Diesel

Here he shows us his process. Most importantly he dismantled his engine and showed us the cylinder bores and cross hatch, which meant the engined showed no sign of wear after running his WMO/WATF/Diesel blend on it for over a year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaYswEGbT...&list=FLdvLUt74...

Here he uses a centrifuge to clean up his WMO/WATF/Diesel blend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clUESTTnk...&list=FLdvLUt74...

Here is a link to a thread on a Chevy forum where a guy ran WMO blended with gas at 30% on a 6.2L



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You must inject the water AFTER the turbo . To do this you will need a pump with a higher delivery pressure than your turbo has boost pressure. A SCREEN WASHER PUMP WILL NOT DO IT.

I use an RV water pump which delivers 60 ~ 80 psi.


click here for misting nozzles

I used the M4 nozzle



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I am working on a water injection system for my discovery at the moment but am going a slightly different route.

Rather than going for a diaphragm pump which has way higher flow than you need and only moderate pressure I am using a vibrating piston pump from a coffee machine, its flow and pressure vary with the size of nozzle used but can produce up to about 200psi. the only problem is it is designed to operate from 240V ac but I just tried it on a little 75w inverter I got for £4 from asda and it works fairly well on it, it is not quite as powerful as it is on the mains but certainly good enough for what I need.

For a nozzle I have an old oil boiler nozzle (Danfoss 2.00 60°S) which is a little big but since the pump is running a little weak it should work out ok

The pump also acts as a check valve so as long as it can be positioned quite close to the nozzle it shouldn’t need an extra check valve.

I tried the set up on the bench on Monday night and it dose produce a nice really fine mist but I have yet to run it and measure the actual flow.

If you search for “vibratory pump” or coffee machine pump on ebay there is a few listed for about £10 the nozzle I got from the heating engineer at my work but are about £8 on ebay and the inverter was on sale in asda but again they are on ebay for a couple of quid from china so it could work out at quite a cheap system. I do want to fit a pressure switch so that it only activates under boost but from what I have found so fat it will be about £45 for an adjustable switch which covers the required pressure range.
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Injector http://www.methanol-injection.co.uk/prod...&products_id=72

Pump http://marinestore.co.uk/PL53431.html

Pump does 65psi, and injector needs 40 psi,

This is pretty much what I have now but I have a Aqumist injector

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http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/foru...age=1#pid322356



Here are links to videos on running WMO and WATF on a 6.2L DIESEL engine

6.2 DIESEL RANGE ROVER, RUNS ON USED MOTOR OIL

used motor oil as fuel classic range rover

USED TRANSMISSION FLUID AS FUEL

6.2 DIESEL RANGE ROVER

Well done Lez. Are they specific for water injection? It's been mentioned to me that the nozzle would be better put into the hose between the intercooler and the inlet for a more even spread.

Treeboa, I'll read up on your info later.

Just seen this, explains the whole water injection system extremely well

It's a steam engine

new mods now available for the L200`s guys, water injection ultimate

Luke, who did you email at devils own? I emailed them yesterday asking for some info to get mine done and havent received a reply yet

His name is Bruce. Got his details from the website. Can dig it out for you if you need it. I found him very quick to reply and helpful. You got the UK site yeah?

Yea i emailed the Uk site

Thought this was interesting:


Ford Focus running on 75 octane fuel, simply by adding WI!!