just fitted the new snorkel and a set of wind deflectors on the windows

well chuffed

what kind

Safari snorkel i recon,

How scared to drill the A pillar were you ?

This time last year you were scared to get it dirty........how you've changed

I would like a Snorkel but I couldn't justify it at the moment, what make is it?

Pics!

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Further to last seen another snorkel on ebay, again it is from Malaysia but is not this fibre glass one with no clips pipes or template,
Werbung: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mitsubishi-L20...5#ht_3458wt_966

It's this one and comes as a kit and is made of polythene which is supposed to be more durable than fibre glass
Werbung: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261000187402?s...9#ht_2808wt_988

They are both much the same in terms of price but the postage on the fibre glass one is around £45 and the post on the polythene one around £98 which would bring the polythene one to around £165 likely to be about £180 with import duty still £100 cheaper than a polythene Safari one

I've sent the seller and email re postage, if he can post for around £50 then that would bring it to circa £130 and may be worth a punt

I got the malaysia one, fibreglass all in with tax £137, it looks a good well constructed product and it is branded with safari snorkels logo. as for it only being made of fibreglass and will break, if I do anything to break it the snorkel will be the least of my worries, it is the damage to the motor I will be concerned with. As for the kit not being complete 3 jubilee clips and 10" of 70mm dia hose will not be difficult for anyone to source.
So conclusion,
it looks the dogs danglies,
the motor will only ever see water when getting washed
and the exchange rate is good at the moment ( money saved exchanged into stella artois)

I'm not slagging your snorkel Andy old boy, far from it, I put a link up on the OC for the fibre glass one a while back to canvas opinion and got bombarded by the usual constructive replies about how they were crap and not as good as polythene ones, and didn't come as a full kit, mainly from those who had paid £300 for a safari one I couldn't justify spending that on a piece of blow moulded plastic

Even had one reply that that the polythene safari snorkel stayed in one piece after the truck had rolled, like you said surely the snorkel would have been the least of the worries then

From reading other posts re the Malysian snorkels, I believe the fibre glass ones are made using the genuine Safari mould due to the tooling being bought from a closed safari factory, so the fit should be just the same.

I got a reply from the seller of the polythene ones, I quote
" I number 1 seller of snorkel in Malaysia, I no do cheap shipping like other seller, my item has tracking and delivered withing working week, other seller not tracked can get lost or take many week to arrive"

I'm still convinced I could make one from solvent weld pipe that would run inside the wing and pop out just prior to the A post, albeit I've not looked at the underside of the wing to see how much clearance there is, its just whether or not it would look neat enough and having the courage to cut the wing, Condorman over on the OC has had a go but his runs along the outside of the wing and is very DIY and resembles the waste pipe coming out my bathroom wall, albeit I'm sure it does the job

I think £300 for a snorkle is pointless unless you have an exo cage like Stick. In which case you obviously expect to roll the truck and therefore a snorkle that is guaranteed to stay in one piece is worth having. Otherwise as quite rightly pointed out, a functional good looking snorkle is all that matters. Damaging it doesn't matter when you are about to dent your roof or side pillar. Save money and spend it on fuel to actually go off roading in the first place. Just my humble opinion of course....

Posted by: Greigboy

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I'm not slagging your snorkel Andy old boy, far from it, I put a link up on the OC for the fibre glass one a while back to canvas opinion and got bombarded by the usual constructive replies about how they were crap and not as good as polythene ones, and didn't come as a full kit, mainly from those who had paid £300 for a safari one I couldn't justify spending that on a piece of blow moulded plastic

Even had one reply that that the polythene safari snorkel stayed in one piece after the truck had rolled, like you said surely the snorkel would have been the least of the worries then

From reading other posts re the Malysian snorkels, I believe the fibre glass ones are made using the genuine Safari mould due to the tooling being bought from a closed safari factory, so the fit should be just the same.

I got a reply from the seller of the polythene ones, I quote
" I number 1 seller of snorkel in Malaysia, I no do cheap shipping like other seller, my item has tracking and delivered withing working week, other seller not tracked can get lost or take many week to arrive"

I'm still convinced I could make one from solvent weld pipe that would run inside the wing and pop out just prior to the A post, albeit I've not looked at the underside of the wing to see how much clearance there is, its just whether or not it would look neat enough and having the courage to cut the wing, Condorman over on the OC has had a go but his runs along the outside of the wing and is very DIY and resembles the waste pipe coming out my bathroom wall, albeit I'm sure it does the job

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i do believe that was me, point i was making is that they are made very well and can take punishment

like said i dont see the point of snorkels unless you had something like stick. i have a snorkel and i've never took my truck off road

pictures please !!

I can supply pics of the inner wing cleareance, infact, loook at my WIP thread there may be one there, if not i'll dig some out.

I must admit i do think having a snorkel looks pretty cool and finishes the look off, if i was in the market for one, i'd being buying a cheap one and going with that.

They look the dogs. No arguing that.

Asides from looking as tasty as a blonde on the bonnet, physics claims they should help with economy... Anyone seen a drop in performance/economy after fitting one. If so do you know why?

Interesting. I've not seen anyone with one claim that. Can't see how that would work. But of course I am always open to anyone proving anything scientifically. Possibly if you were to fit one with an induction kit it would help. But that would only be because induction kits themselves can help if driven correctly.

no change on mine whatsoever. mine was sent from thailand but it got here in 2 pieces, so i had to rebuild the whole thing out of 3 layers of fibreglass........its pretty darn solid now!!

Well It's all about the amount of oxygen in the combustion (chemistry 101). Effectively, the more the merrier. So, as hot air is less dense than warm air (ask a balloonist), there is less oxygen in a litre of hot air than cold air.
If the engine is sucking in a fixed volume of air per second, as it would while cruising, then there will be more oxygen in the cold feed from the snorkel than from a hot feed from under the bonnet. the same applies for a front mounted air intake(ie. in front of the rad).
(This is the basic role of the intercooler)

Also as these are turbo inducted engines, which is powered by pressure from the exhaust, forcing air down onto the turbo should decrease the load on it and make it pump more air. With a forward facing snorkel you should be able to ram the air into the mouth of the turbo.

Even fitting it with the original induction kit there should be a difference, but yes, running an induction kit through a snorkel is theoretically the best (and best looking) induction method.
This is all theoretical... Has anyone got some real world evidence to back up my theories?

Posted by: Yoda

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Interesting. I've not seen anyone with one claim that. Can't see how that would work. But of course I am always open to anyone proving anything scientifically. Possibly if you were to fit one with an induction kit it would help. But that would only be because induction kits themselves can help if driven correctly.

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i think it's either something to do with it creating a ram air effect when it's pointing forwards or becasuse it makes the intake route so much longer, but with it being turbo'd, that shouldnt really make a difference. but i have read something on here or the other site about the snorkels facing forwards or backwards...

Posted by: diggermandan

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Well It's all about the amount of oxygen in the combustion (chemistry 101). Effectively, the more the merrier. So, as hot air is less dense than warm air (ask a balloonist), there is less oxygen in a litre of hot air than cold air.
If the engine is sucking in a fixed volume of air per second, as it would while cruising, then there will be more oxygen in the cold feed from the snorkel than from a hot feed from under the bonnet. the same applies for a front mounted air intake(ie. in front of the rad).
(This is the basic role of the intercooler)

Also as these are turbo inducted engines, which is powered by pressure from the exhaust, forcing air down onto the turbo should decrease the load on it and make it pump more air. With a forward facing snorkel you should be able to ram the air into the mouth of the turbo.

Even fitting it with the original induction kit there should be a difference, but yes, running an induction kit through a snorkel is theoretically the best (and best looking) induction method.
This is all theoretical... Has anyone got some real world evidence to back up my theories?

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with the snorkel and KnN apollo i can honestly say i see no difference in performane or mpg, it might be a bit more responsive if anything

what you say is very true on any decent turbo engine but not on a tractor engine that has its intercooler mounted on top of the engine so any cool that does pass through an extra 2 metres of ducting to the turbo is heated up anyway

Several people will tell you they've seen an improvement from fitting an induction kit. I am one of them. The turbo spools quicker and if driven correctly this means you get a cleaner burn due to the physics you state above. But if the mouth of your induction pipe isn't sucking in the coldest air possible then you may not find an improvement. Safest option is to still use the wing cavity as you'll then have a direct comparison. Whether fitting a forward facing snorkle then allows a ram effect, there by increasing the power/mpg is open to conjecture. In my untested view I think it is unlikely. But I hate negativity and I won't argue something won't or will happen without having solid evidence either way. what I can say, because this HAS been proven time and again is that fitting a ram intake for your induction kit WILL make a difference. People argue that on this truck it's pointless or that the difference is minimal or negligible. But a difference is a difference nonetheless. At high speeds is where you'll see the improvement the most. I toyed with the idea of a ram intake but it presents the problem that water crossings are impossible. So wing cavity it was for me. For now. This also opens up the argument of whether it is possible to tune the 4D56 and whether one should or not. Anyone that knows my post history knows this is a topic of interest for me. If the effect you want from a ram intake is performance then do it but there are several other things I would recommend doing as well for best performance, dependant on budget. If you want a snorkle though then forget any ram effect as it won't be as good as a proper ram intake. But by all means measure scientifically the difference and report back.

my malaysian snorkel was ordered on sunday evening and arrived on thursday lunchtime, Ive waited longer for deliveries in this country by royal mail, the parcel was tracked and the seller sent me the tracking number so I could follow it all the way here, I could see every stop and depot it had been in. and it came with a fibreglass template, the offending snorkel can be scrutinised at the meet on saturday

cheers
andy with the big cheeeeesey grin

Well done Andy, & a double well done for volunteering to be pathfinder for any watery holes at Inverness

dont need a snokel when u have a basil

You can go pretty deep with having a snorkel.

Just got to have the balls the do it!!

There's videos on youtube of a Landcruiser floating!!!!!!!! AND he made it out, using the rotation of his rear wheels as props. But his engine was fully submerged.